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Rohan Kumar
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syndicate 2023-11-12 20:44:32 -08:00
Rohan Kumar
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Fix syntax error 2023-11-12 20:31:59 -08:00
Rohan Kumar
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mention BBCode 2023-11-12 20:29:15 -08:00
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@ -32,13 +32,15 @@ Here's an image marked sensitive on Firefish (a Fediverse server) shows a blurre
=> gemini://seirdy.one/misc/spoiler-fedi.png screenshot: a post by @freeplay@kitsunes.club shows a blurred image under placeholder text reading "NSFW: Click to show".
=> https://pleroma.envs.net/notice/AZNKmYaNv9UOa9e3wO Original thread
Some clients support Markdown flavors with the following syntax:
More special syntax for spoilers:
```
||optional placeholder text|Fluffychat and Discord hide this.||
>!Reddit hides this.<
```
=> https://www.bbcode.org/posting-a-spoiler-with-bbcode.php BBCode is the oldest example of dedicated spoiler syntax I know of.
## Comparison with "details"
On the WICG forum, one user asked about the differences between "spoiler" and "details". The two elements have very much in common; I'd even go so far as to say that "spoiler" elements could also make use of "summary" children for placeholder text. That being said, the semantics and behavior have important differences.

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@ -14,6 +14,8 @@ syndicatedCopies:
url: 'http://discourse.wicg.io/t/standardized-spoiler-tag/5814/15?u=seirdy'
- title: 'IndieNews'
url: 'https://news.indieweb.org/en'
- title: 'jstpst'
url: 'https://www.jstpst.net/f/just_post/9051/proposal-an-html-element-for-spoilers'
---
<section role="doc-introduction">
@ -83,23 +85,26 @@ An image marked sensitive on Firefish (a Fediverse server) shows a blurred place
{{<codefigure>}}{{<codecaption>}}
Some clients support Markdown flavors with special syntax for spoilers:
More special syntax for spoilers:
{{</codecaption>}}
```figure
||optional placeholder text|Fluffychat and Discord hide this.||
>!Reddit hides this.<
[spoiler=optional placeholder text]BBCode hides this[/spoiler]
```
{{</codefigure>}}
[BBCode](https://www.bbcode.org/posting-a-spoiler-with-bbcode.php) is the oldest example of dedicated spoiler syntax I know of.
</section>
<section>
## Comparison with `details`
On the <abbr>WICG</abbr> forum, one user asked about the differences between `spoiler` and `details`. The two elements have very much in common; I'd even go so far as to say that `spoiler` elements could also make use of `summary` children for placeholder text.[^2] That being said, the semantics and behavior have important differences.
On the <abbr>WICG</abbr> forum, one user asked about the differences between `spoiler` and `details`. The two elements have very much in common; I'd even go so far as to say that `spoiler` elements could also make use of `summary` children for placeholder text.[^3] That being said, the semantics and behavior have important differences.
### Semantics
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: A boolean attribute for `spoiler`. Hidden content could have a preview available or have no preview at all. A "true" value could show a partial preview of a sensitive image (e.g. a version with a reduced resolution and saturation, passed through a heavy blur filter); a "false" value could simply hide the content behind censor bars or filler content.
`preview-alt`
: An attribute for any element that supports the `alt` attribute. This can supply alt-text for hidden versions of media without overly descriptive language, analogous to blurred or pixelated previews. "Black-and-white photo of a large wound" could be an image's "preview-alt" text, while the actual alt text could describe the image more..._vividly_.[^3]
: An attribute for any element that supports the `alt` attribute. This can supply alt-text for hidden versions of media without overly descriptive language, analogous to blurred or pixelated previews. "Black-and-white photo of a large wound" could be an image's "preview-alt" text, while the actual alt text could describe the image more..._vividly_.[^4]
`loading`
: `img`, `iframe`, and other elements already support `loading="lazy"` to enable native lazy loading. [A thread on the WICG forums](https://discourse.wicg.io/t/add-loading-lazy-attribute-to-details-element/6060) proposes allowing the attribute on container elements to apply to their children, singling out `details` in particular. As `spoiler` hides content, hidden children may have loading deferred until their parent `spoiler` element activates.
@ -213,13 +218,15 @@ Thanks to {{<indieweb-person itemprop="mentions" name="Athena Martin" url="https
Thanks to {{<indieweb-person itemprop="mentions" name="~keith" url="https://keithhacks.cyou/">}} for bringing up good points concerning prescriptivity of spoiler norms.
Thanks to {{<indieweb-person itemprop="mentions" name="Locria Cyber" url="https://www.1a-insec.net/">}} for reminding me about BBCode.
</section>
[^1]: This format is called `org.matrix.custom.html`. The {{<mention-work itemtype="TechArticle">}}<cite itemprop="name headline" class="p-name">Matrix Specification Client-Server API</cite>, section 11.2.2.6: <a class="u-url" itemprop="url" href="https://spec.matrix.org/v1.8/client-server-api/#spoiler-messages">“Spoiler messages”</a>{{</mention-work>}} specifies the spoiler syntax, semantics, and recommended client behavior.
[^2]: Note that `summary` was originally specified as a block-level button, not an inline element. This may require changes to the definition of `summary`. I don't believe that the changes should significantly impact conformant pages, but non-conforming pages that incorrectly use `summary` elements without the required `details` parent may be impacted. Perhaps we really do need a new element for spoiler summaries.
[^3]: Note that `summary` was originally specified as a block-level button, not an inline element. This may require changes to the definition of `summary`. I don't believe that the changes should significantly impact conformant pages, but non-conforming pages that incorrectly use `summary` elements without the required `details` parent may be impacted. Perhaps we really do need a new element for spoiler summaries.
[^3]: I came up with the idea of this attribute when I was browsing some Wikipedia articles on medical topics and ended up on the article for "maggot therapy". I had uBlock Origin configured to make large media click-to-load, and the figure captions told me which ones would be safe to load when others were in the room. However, [figure captions aren't a replacement for alt-text]({{<relref "website-best-practices.md#putting-images-in-context">}}).
[^4]: I came up with the idea of this attribute when I was browsing some Wikipedia articles on medical topics and ended up on the article for "maggot therapy". I had uBlock Origin configured to make large media click-to-load, and the figure captions told me which ones would be safe to load when others were in the room. However, [figure captions aren't a replacement for alt-text]({{<relref "website-best-practices.md#putting-images-in-context">}}).